What exactly is blues or why sound it that way??

willem
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Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:59 pm

willem wrote:
Lets start whit his simplist form ''the 12 bar bleus'''how do you get that bleus feel in these form and how does it look..and.. which key's are the best to use,,????

I know we must use chords 1-4-5 and follow 4 measers chord 1,then 2 measers of chord 4,then 2 measers of chord 1 again (we have now 8 measers) then 2 measers chord 5 and ending or returning with 2 measers of chord 1..

this all strummed in swingtime... and if we want play lead with or over the strumming we must use notes from the minor scale so it will clash with each other?????


IT looks that i understand the lesson but ????????

looked at the lesson again and i got more from it and that is we must use dominant 7th chords instead of the major chords also got the ta-ta-ta shuflle thing(have to deal with language) so i try the first down ta-ta and the last ta for the up(i don't make fun but now i really got that swingtime ) what regards to the lead i do not know exactly,,,we must use the minor scale notes??? and borrow some notes???? bleu notes???


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Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:05 pm

willem wrote:
BigBear wrote:
Willem- From a guitar perspective the blues starts with the standard major scale and then adds a flatted 3rd (and also 5th and 7th) note which gives that very distinct, almost dissonant sound. The blues can be played in every key but C, G and E seem to be particularly popular probably because 7th chords (harmonic sevenths) are easier to play in these keys.

Another important thing to learn with the blues is the "walking bass" line. To me, this is almost as important as learning the blues scale because almost every blues songs uses a moving or walking bass line at some point. We call this the "Groove" and this adds immensely to the bluesy feel.

It is really important in any discussion of the Blues to mention that no musical form relies more heavily on "feel" than the blues. Many people can play the blues but not everyone "feels" the blues!! When you hear a really good blues player you may be impressed initially by his/her techniques but listen longer and you will hear "The Feel", or maybe not. This is an interesting point because the Blues had a major revolution in the UK in the 60's and 70's. But while many of the great UK players learned to play the Blues, by their own admissions they had a tough time getting "The Feel". Many came to this country to work with famous blues artists, many of them black, just to try to get the feel. Check out Eric Clapton and B.B. King for just one of many examples.

Willem, you asked a huge question and this is a very short, simplistic answer. Hopefully, some food for thought.

Heb een geweldige dag mijn vriend! :cheer:

Thank you Rick

Can we hear the feel by only playing a bleus scale over and over and maybe on diffrent places for example in C and is...C -Eb-F#-G-Bb- back on C again

Willem- the "feel" I mention comes from learning to not play notes and chords but to just relax and play the song. Forget technique, timing, scales, all of it and just play the song with feel. Like it comes from your soul, inside of you. The music becomes part of you and your life experience.

Feel is not something you can write about and make others understand. It comes from having mastery over the song to the point where you don't even think about the music, just the feeling the song moves you toward.

I know this sounds like science fiction and I will be the first to admit that although I love belting out a 12 bar blues song I don't have the feel of the great blues players and I never will. But it's still fun to play, especially with others. The blues is meant to be shared and doesn't do as well solo, unless you are very, very good!

Cheers! :cheer:

Have fun with the Blues. Don't worry so much about technical issues and techniques. Mistakes are fine in the Blues and almost expected if you can believe that!


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Mon Jul 04, 2011 3:29 am

BigBear wrote:
willem wrote:
BigBear wrote:
Willem- From a guitar perspective the blues starts with the standard major scale and then adds a flatted 3rd (and also 5th and 7th) note which gives that very distinct, almost dissonant sound. The blues can be played in every key but C, G and E seem to be particularly popular probably because 7th chords (harmonic sevenths) are easier to play in these keys.

Another important thing to learn with the blues is the "walking bass" line. To me, this is almost as important as learning the blues scale because almost every blues songs uses a moving or walking bass line at some point. We call this the "Groove" and this adds immensely to the bluesy feel.

It is really important in any discussion of the Blues to mention that no musical form relies more heavily on "feel" than the blues. Many people can play the blues but not everyone "feels" the blues!! When you hear a really good blues player you may be impressed initially by his/her techniques but listen longer and you will hear "The Feel", or maybe not. This is an interesting point because the Blues had a major revolution in the UK in the 60's and 70's. But while many of the great UK players learned to play the Blues, by their own admissions they had a tough time getting "The Feel". Many came to this country to work with famous blues artists, many of them black, just to try to get the feel. Check out Eric Clapton and B.B. King for just one of many examples.

Willem, you asked a huge question and this is a very short, simplistic answer. Hopefully, some food for thought.

Heb een geweldige dag mijn vriend! :cheer:

Thank you Rick

Can we hear the feel by only playing a bleus scale over and over and maybe on diffrent places for example in C and is...C -Eb-F#-G-Bb- back on C again

Willem- the "feel" I mention comes from learning to not play notes and chords but to just relax and play the song. Forget technique, timing, scales, all of it and just play the song with feel. Like it comes from your soul, inside of you. The music becomes part of you and your life experience.

Feel is not something you can write about and make others understand. It comes from having mastery over the song to the point where you don't even think about the music, just the feeling the song moves you toward.

I know this sounds like science fiction and I will be the first to admit that although I love belting out a 12 bar blues song I don't have the feel of the great blues players and I never will. But it's still fun to play, especially with others. The blues is meant to be shared and doesn't do as well solo, unless you are very, very good!

Cheers! :cheer:

Have fun with the Blues. Don't worry so much about technical issues and techniques. Mistakes are fine in the Blues and almost expected if you can believe that!
Willem don't argue with the Bear. The Bear has spoken and he believe it or not said not to worry about the techy stuff now that's amazing coming from an engineer, get the 'feel' from the heart and emotions


willem
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Mon Jul 04, 2011 4:22 am

Chasplaya wrote:
BigBear wrote:
willem wrote:
BigBear wrote:



Thank you Rick

Can we hear the feel by only playing a bleus scale over and over and maybe on diffrent places for example in C and is...C -Eb-F#-G-Bb- back on C again

Willem- the "feel" I mention comes from learning to not play notes and chords but to just relax and play the song. Forget technique, timing, scales, all of it and just play the song with feel. Like it comes from your soul, inside of you. The music becomes part of you and your life experience.

Feel is not something you can write about and make others understand. It comes from having mastery over the song to the point where you don't even think about the music, just the feeling the song moves you toward.

I know this sounds like science fiction and I will be the first to admit that although I love belting out a 12 bar blues song I don't have the feel of the great blues players and I never will. But it's still fun to play, especially with others. The blues is meant to be shared and doesn't do as well solo, unless you are very, very good!

Cheers! :cheer:

Have fun with the Blues. Don't worry so much about technical issues and techniques. Mistakes are fine in the Blues and almost expected if you can believe that!
Willem don't argue with the Bear. The Bear has spoken and he believe it or not said not to worry about the techy stuff now that's amazing coming from an engineer, get the 'feel' from the heart and emotions

Oke Chas,,i try to set an bleu feeling in happyness,,,


willem
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Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:01 pm

willem wrote:
tovo wrote:
Hey Willem,

Right now I am shredding my fingers day after day by playing the extended blues scale in A. I guess A is the starting point because it's pretty much in the middle of the neck. That same scale can then be transposed to any root note.

I think the minor pentatonic doesn't sound bluesy at all but once you add the 2 blues notes it starts to. The extended scale is just more fun because you use more of the neck, it's less repetitive. I don't think it really sounds like blues until you start to throw in some licks, which I guess are the phrases of the language of blues.

On the other part of your question, for me blues is all about the feel. It's the only music that really moves me, get's in my soul, without the need for lyrics. It's the feel. One of the most memorable moments of my recent trip to the USA was sitting in a blues bar in San Fransisco listening to a genuine Bluesman (Ron Hacker, look him up on the net). What a great night. I know I want to play that stuff.


Its great you met the bleus there and i think overall you had a great time there..

I also think that the pentatonic minor does not his bleusy work but has accordance with an real bleus scale, it looks as that scale with one or two blue notes add to it,,can you give me the notes of that A bleus scale(maybe i am lazy)

edit: with extended scale you mean the notes added to the pentatonic scale????


[Hi TONY,,NOW I THNIK I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN WITH THE EXTENDED BLEUS SCALE IN the key of A,,,YOU MEAN PLAYING THE BLEUS SHUFFLE ON THE POWER CHORDS,,i was a bit confused by the use from the word SCALE...b][/b]


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