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Chord Structure Question

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:47 pm
by frybaby
II have come across a song tab that has caused me some confusion.

Namely, the song moves from an F# to an F#+7.

The F#+7 is not the same as an F#7, as the F#7 is also referenced in the tab as a seperate chord so I am sure the tab is indicating a different chord.

So the question... what is an F#+7 chord ... the chord formula for such a beast and the fingering.

First correct answer gets a giant slice of Pizza.

Re: Chord Structure Question

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:09 pm
by TGNeil
Ambiguous, at best. There are a couple of interpretations that could come out of this, both with better ways of labeling. First question is what is the next chord, then what song are you talking about. Without that info I can offer a few guesses.

The 'plus' sign can be use to represent an augmented chord, making this F#7 with a raised 5th, better written as F#7+5.

It can also represent raising the 7th from a minor 7th (as in F#7) to a major 7th (as in F#maj7), but this would also be incorrect use of the sign.

More info would be helpful as they may have meant a different progression completey... F#m F#m+7 F#m7, maybe they forgot the minor part of the sequence.

Neil

Re: Chord Structure Question

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:18 pm
by frybaby
WOW.. an reply from the man himself. I am lovin it.
Thank you.
The song is Girl from Ipanema,
The line that cornfused me is: from the Chorus:

F#+7 F#7 C9
Oh, but I watch her so sadly

Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:22 am
by thereshopeyet
Thanks

Re: Chord Structure Question

Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:33 am
by dsmarion
This is a good time to ask yourself "What does your ear tell you?". Listen to the track very closely over and over and see if you can hear which sounds right. Tabs are ok for getting you close but don't be afraid to use the tool you always have at your disposal to help you decide.

Scott

Re: Chord Structure Question

Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:11 am
by frybaby
Gentlemen, thank you one and all.
Special thanks to thereshopeyet for the .pdf. much better that the tab I was using. Thank you!
Kept digging my self and found this information:

Some 7+5 chord examples.
Description:
7+5 is a 7th chord with a raised or sharpened 5th, hence the +5 or #5. They are often used as Chord V in either a major or minor key and are commonly found in Jazz progressions.
Formula: 1 3 5# 7b
CommonAbbreviations: +7, 7#5, 7(#5), 7(+5), 7/5+, 7+, 7+5, 7aug5, aug7Most popular root: G, A, Ab, Bb, B

So apparently a 7+5 chord is the same as augmented 7th.

Re: Chord Structure Question

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:37 am
by gavind1
Nice work fry. I tried to play this it it sounded good.

Re: Chord Structure Question

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:34 pm
by frybaby
My Pleasure