Big Bad Bear - Who's Afraid

haoli25
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Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:34 pm

Nice collection KENNYF! Do you get to go to
the range often?


AndyT
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Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:35 pm

I knew this was a Bear hunting thread... Image


BigBear
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Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:40 pm

haoli25 wrote:
A hobby of mine too, Bear. I got lucky on the
Model 500, I traded two Colt Model 1911's for it
at a gun show. It's still too expensive to shoot
though.

It's expensive enough to shoot my 45's, 40's, and
9mm's. For cheap target practice I have a Browning
Buck Mark, Ruger MK III, etc.
I hear you! The price of ammo has skyrocketed, particularly since the election. I shoot a lot of comabt/self defense stuff and in a normal shooting day we go thru 500+ rounds. That used to cost ~$85-100. Now it's $200. Plus the training is $125/day. I can't do it like I used to!

Even a brick of .22 is getting steep!

I have always loaded my own stuff but most ranges won't allow reloads anymore so I'm screwed there as well. Too many expensive hobbies!


AndyT
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Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:46 pm

You guys should take up volleyball or something. LOL


haoli25
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Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:50 pm

I can still handle the 22's. I buy them online for
$16.50 for 550 rounds. I can buy 100 round box of
Winchester 9mm for $26.80. The 45's are a straight
50 cents a shot. You can't even find .380 ammo any
longer at any price.
I never got into trying my hand at re-loads. I figured
I would have to get up to 15,000 rounds a year for
each caliber to make it worth buying the equipment.


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Tue Jul 07, 2009 1:01 pm

kennyf wrote:
Ya know, not too much walks away from a shot from a .44 Mag., but man, they sure are fatiguing on the shooter.
That's true but I know a couple Alaskan guides and they all say even a .44Mag isn't enough against the big bears. By comparison a relatively hot factory loaded .44mag with a 240 gr. bullet generates about 970 ft-lbs of kinetic energy.

A factory loaded .500Mag load with a 350gr bullet can top out over 3,000 ft-lbs!! That means the bear gets hit with over 3 times the energy of a .44 at the only expense of a slightly heavy revolver (I'm not counting the cost of the ammo when you are confronted by an angry mama bear!)!

If I was hunting or hiking in Alaska I'd be packing a Model 500! This debate BTW has dominated several handgun forums since the introduction of the Model 500 in 2003.


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Tue Jul 07, 2009 1:03 pm

AndyT wrote:
You guys should take up volleyball or something. LOL
Do you try to blow the volleyballs out of the air as they go over the net? Sorta like skeet shooting? ;-)


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Tue Jul 07, 2009 1:07 pm

I thought you guys (bear, andyt, chas, myself) had too much free time, but I think that guy with the bear suit is in a class by himself.:dry:

The West commercial was very funny.:laugh:

Ric


haoli25
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Tue Jul 07, 2009 1:12 pm

Unlike skeet, I might actually be able to hit a
volleyball in the air.
It would also give me an excuse to buy a Benelli
Vinci! lol Tom Knapp sold me on those.


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Tue Jul 07, 2009 1:17 pm

haoli25 wrote:
I can still handle the 22's. I buy them online for
$16.50 for 550 rounds. I can buy 100 round box of
Winchester 9mm for $26.80. The 45's are a straight
50 cents a shot. You can't even find .380 ammo any
longer at any price.
I never got into trying my hand at re-loads. I figured
I would have to get up to 15,000 rounds a year for
each caliber to make it worth buying the equipment.
As you point out it depends on how much you shoot. I've got a progressive RCBS press and I can crank out ammo for about $5/box (.40 or 9mm). I used to figure I'd save 50% reloading but it's way more now. I don't think it would take 15,000 rounds to justify, especially over time. The caliber dies are only about $30.

The main cost is the brass because the military is sucking it all up. I've got tons of brass and I take good care of it(not using max loads) so that's free. It's the only way to go if you shoot a lot and the range will let you use it.

Plus relaoding is really fun. On a rainy Saturday crank out a few boxes. It's pretty mindless once you get the system down. If you get into it, get a progressive for handgun loads. A single stroke is fine for rifle ammo but is way too slow for cranking out handgun ammo.


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