Some questions about America

sbutler
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Tue Sep 28, 2010 6:30 pm

Well cold is a relative thing isn't it? But its a dry cold eh?

Actually, as commercial pilot, I fly to some of the most very remote areas of the state. I have learned the -45c and -45f come together at a few of the places I go. That is somewhere below cold. Quite a bit actually.

And yes, my travels have taken me to places where I actually did see Russia from where I stood, but it sure wasn't from Wasilla.

Boston is somewhere that I would really like to visit someday. especially in the fall, when the colors of the north east are at there best.

I did get to visit Maui this past March, and from AK to Maui for a week was a pretty nice move.

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Tue Sep 28, 2010 6:39 pm

Changing direction radically again.

There is a commonly held view outside of the USA that Americans know little about the rest of the World and care even less. Personally I have met many Americans in my travels and that wasn't the case, but of course I am meeting Americans who are travelling, which by its very nature indicates some interest.

What do you guys think?


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Tue Sep 28, 2010 6:57 pm

Very nice thread you have going here Tony. As for me, well I've been known to have my "Boston" accent come out after a few drinks from time to time. I live in southern NH about 60 miles north of Boston. I usually take a trip there at least twice a week. Yes the colors are starting to come out now that summer is over and Fall is on its way. What the &$(%&*( happened to summer anyway. I suppose you folks down under are stealing it away again. :laugh: I was born in New Jersey but I've lived in NH since I was 5. I would consider myself a New Engander through and through but we are seriously thinking of moving south to Virginia or North Carolina. I've had my fair share of New England winters to last a lifetime. As long as I'm on the East coast I think we'll be fine. I agree with others here in the US that I don't think we are attached to a specifc town as much as we may be more attached to a way of life. Meaning city vs country and stuff like that. Well thats it for me. Just thought I'd chime in. If you do make it to Boston you need to let me know. Just do it soon before we go and move to a smaller lattitude.............,



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Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:18 pm

I think it is very difficult to say anything that universally covers even a small majority of Americans. As for myself I am very interested in happenings throughout the world. I have done some traveling(no where near as much as I would like) in the US and I had one dream trip I took to Europe right after I graduated high School. From my limited experience dealing with people outside of the US, it seems to me that the people generally have many of the same attributes as there fellow countrymen. For instance traveling in say Germany many of the German people appeared to me to be very similar in terms of there personality and physical traits. But these traits were very different from say the French and Italians. In America I see more variables in my immediate neighbors than I did moving from city to city within a country in Europe. So to answer your latest questions the best I could say is it depends on who you talk to.

To reply to some of your other questions I have lived in Minnesota my whole life as has my father and grandfathers and most nearly everyone in my family besides one grandmother who my grandfather met during WWII when he was stationed down south. I think Minnesotans are typically very rooted and the cold keeps a majority of people from moving in, I think this is atypical for most states.

Minnesota definitely has an accent, If you doubt it just watch the movie Fargo ;-) lol. I do know some people who speak that way but they are not typical DONCHA KNOW - YA YOU BETCHA.

OK sorry Ive babbled enough, very interesting thread

Bill


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Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:19 pm

Hi Tony,

I always enjoy your threads. Although I have not had much time lately so I am coming in rather late. I think one of your questions was can you tell where someone is from due to their accent(paraphrasing here)No, I usually can't but for some reason everyone seems to know I am from Massachusetts. :S Your last question that Americans know little about the rest of the World and care even less. I will admit I don't know a lot about the rest of the world in terms of politics and things, but I have been to many places around the world (I haven't had the pleasure of getting to Australia yet Hopefully some day)and I have really enjoyed experiencing all of the different cultures. I am hoping most Americans do care.

Bob


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Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:55 pm

Appreciate all responses. Threads don't work well if nobody participates!

Music question:

I get the strong impression that Country music is really very popular in the States. Particularly in the Southern States but perhaps more widely? Is that so?


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Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:02 pm

Tony,
You bet country music is popular all over the states. My wife loves it; I can definitely leave it alone. It's surprising where you find country fans. New York probably has as many as Austin, Texas. I live within a mile or two of a watering hole called the Colorado Cafe and it features country music, square dancing and all the rest of what goes along with that including a covered wagon on their lawn--and we're in New Jersey!

I also thought I'd chime in with what Dieguy said about the Minnesota accent. There definitely is one and the movie 'Fargo' is a good place to get a sample. I lived in Wisconsin for a couple of years and some folks had that accent while many did not. My sister-in-law moved to Minnesota (from Massachusetts) when she got married and managed to learn that accent over the years. Good dialecticians can probably place most American within a few hundred miles of where they were born.

These are fun questions; keep them coming.
Tom


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Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:42 pm

First, I'm going to agree with the Bear, with few exceptions (Native American Indian) we are all Immigrants, or Descendants of such here. I'm native Texan, my Paternal ancestry in Texas dates back to the Texas revolution. My Maternal Ancestry goes back to the signing of the Declaration of Independence, Charles Carroll of Carrollton, the only Catholic to sign such.

I 'grew up' in Alvin, Texas, Nolan Ryan's hometown just a few years behind Nolan in the same High School. In fact the oldest sister-in-law once dated Nolan, she said "He's a geek, all he thinks about is stupid baseball!" We moved to Katy, Texas in 1990, largely due to the Wife's commute, and then in 2001 to Boyd, Texas, just North East of Ft. Worth, due to the wife's job transferring her here. Now I live in a one-bedroom apartment just North of Dallas, a lot of reasons, the biggest of which was the wife's 51 mile one-way commute. I am sure this same story can be heard many times over, moving to where the work is has become a way of life for many here.

Of course, being raised until I was almost 9 in the city (Houston) and then moving out into the country until 1990, and again back into the country in 2001, I'm one of the few who have lived both ways, City and Country. There are things I enjoy about both. But I'm also a somewhat 'private' person, so as for 'beautiful' cities, I'll go with the Oxymoron type thing. I prefer the Country, yet the distance between necessities and the quality of them, like Health Care and Emergency services (Fire and Police) is, by it's own nature, sparse.

It's nice having seventeen different restaurants within virtually walking distance, and living just down the road from 3 music stores and four different Grocery stores, including WalMart, and Target. Not so nice trying to figure out what the hell the upstairs neighbor is up to with all the noise bleeding down. No, No, not THAT kind of noise! Getcha minds outda gutter!

One thing Tony, you must realize that by being this 'melting pot' we have our difficulties, yet we have a great source of culture like no other. Someone was talking about how France and Germany differ, and yes, they damn sure do. Try spending three days in Florida, two in England, three in Germany, then back home. Talk about your 'culture shock'! Yet I can find that by walking a few blocks in several large cities, or even around the complex I live in. We have a neighbor from Istanbul across the way, another from Iraq. One from Minnesota, one from Florida, and one from Connecticut. Another couple who, for the first time in their 35 years of marriage much less their lives, who are new to 'city' living, having lived in a small town their entire lives. They all share one thing, they are here for work.

One of the ways I guess I can explain a bit of this is by something we did when we lived on 'The Ranch". The wife has worked most of her career in a Corporate setting, and as such, in either an Office complex or, like now, in a high-rise Office building. Many of her peers and a lot of her employees have always lived a 'city' life. Donna was raised until she was 8 in a one bed-room house out in Crockett, Texas back before they even had a stop sign. (They now have one, a Stop Sign, not a red light, not yet anyways)She shared that house not only with her Mom and Dad, who was gone most of the time for work, but with her four sisters, an Aunt, and two cousins.

So, living the style we did as grown ups, having our own pond and several horses, cats, dogs, chickens, etc. was a novelty to a lot of them. Sure, they knew of such things, but an Executive who lived that way? Every year, twice a year, in the spring and fall, we had a 'party' at our place. The enjoyment of seeing a young girl ride a horse for the first time, or a couple of youngsters pull up their first fish (the pond was 'stocked' with Catfish and Crappie)much less taste the likes of 'real' pit smoked Bar-B-Que Brisket. Nothing like it.

During our lives we have always enjoyed 'camping'. We've gone from the old standby tent, to a small pull behind 'pop-up' camper, to a 19 foot pull-behind with 'Pop-outs' on both ends turning the 19 feet into 27 and a 36 foot fifth wheel, and now a 32 foot (quarters area) Motorhome. The kids always loved it, and now that has been passed on to the Grand-Kids. During all that time, I have no clue as to how many 'inner-city' kids we have introduced to camping. I believe I recall reading somewhere around here, that you have done the same Tony.

It's those types of things, those looks of happiness and excitement on not only the youngsters faces but those of their Parents, that stay with me. One young man we lived next door to in Katy not only took part in the camping, and the 'parties' and an off-shore fishing excursion I put together years ago, but I took him on his first Deer Hunting trip. His folks, and Grandparents, (Originally from Michigan) are some of those "City Folk" us "Country Boys" talk about. Hell, nature to them was a trip to the Zoo or a round of Golf at the Public Course.

Jason returned from a tour in Afghanistan with the Marine Corp only a few weeks ago. He earned two Purple Crosses while there. Weekend before last we travelled back 'home' for a wedding, Jessica, Jason's sister, was marrying her High School Sweetheart. I'm Texan and we are not brought up to do the man-to-man embracing stuff, a hug maybe, with a long lost friend or family member, maybe. But 'embracing', just not cool dude. Weak sissy stuff! So, if you've never seen an old wanna-be Cowboy and a young decorated Marine just back from the war front cry and hug each other until they turn blue, you missed it.

I don't know how to explain it any better than that Tony. It's a culture that certainly has it's problems, loads of which are built in. Many of which are terrifying, violent by their own nature. Mixing so many different beliefs together and stirring them around usually in close quarters will have it's outcomes. Yet somehow, every so often, we tend to overlook our differences, and befriend an 'outsider' and accept them with the hope they accept us.

As for your question about 'Country' Music, I'll need to sleep on that one.


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Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:56 pm

Wiley that's a great response mate, I sure appreciate the time you took to write it. As I said, I appreciate all the responses. I sure understand the joy of camping and I also understand the emotion of seeing a friend or loved one return from a conflict zone in one piece. Nothing wrong with 2 guys showing some emotion in my opinion.

Different topic:

In Australia, sport is really important. Many say too important. One thing we are pretty proud of however is that our sporting events rarely descend into violent confrontations. We are as a society really passionate about our particular brand of football. For example, our Grand Final of Australian rules football was held last weekend and over 100,000 attended to witness a draw. By our rules, we do it all again this weekend. Crazy eh?!.

Anyway, how is it in the USA? Do people embrace the right to "root" for different sides? (That term has a very different meaning in this country) I mean, do people get over the top crazy about their team and refuse to associate with supporters of different sides? I suspect people like that are everywhere but thought I would ask. What are the great rivalries? Which teams draw the most support and passion? Along the same lines, is baseball the most popular sport in the US and what's with the all-in brawls? Are they for real or for show?


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Tue Sep 28, 2010 11:44 pm

Although not to me, country music is very important, and yeas I would say especially in the south. It seems to fit real well with NASCAR (a whole other topic) I can take it for about 1 cd worth then it's time to move on. Some of the new stuff really seems to be by guys who really want to be rock stars and saw a way to fit in to country instead.
As far as sports. I would say baseball is a national sport or pastime. And yes every has a favorite team and would defend it to the end. The NY Yankees probably have some of the strongest die hards but I'm sure others here would say another team.
Football is the other. The NFL is big and has a very large following. For years I was a die hard Cleveland Browns fan, followed their every move, visited the fall camps the whole nine yards. Then the moved, and I walked away from the NFL, although I admit I haven't missed a Super Bowl. Now for my it college football, and in the south it the SEC conference, but their alot several different conferences in the states and are pretty much followed regionally. And all have very strong, ardent fans. It is the all the talk on Monday. Just to night I got a call from a friend, and without saying hello he said, looks like your team is pretty good this year; I replied that it looked like his team sucks. Then we both laughed, so it can be light heart as well.


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