Hark ! The Herald Angels Sing - Instrumental

[sandysue]

Hi Dermot

I looked up stems on the internet and I didn't find a consistent answer. Basically they said that single notes with single stems starting on the middle line of the staff and higher are written stem down, and all single notes with single stems starting in the second space of the staff and lower are written stem up. However, when I looked at all of my music, and the Solo Guitar Playing book by Noad, that didn't seem to be consistently true. We probably need to clarify that with Neil or Vanessa.

Sandy

[thereshopeyet]

Vanessa Wrote:

Leaving out vital information.......

Hello Vanessa,
I just mean breakdown the notation to get back to the fundamental bass line, melody, and filler notes.

Sort of reverse engineer the notation, then build it back up again.
What harm can it do if it helps me understand, it might not be for everyone.

Thanks for commenting.



Sandy Wrote:

I looked up stems on the internet and I didn't find a consistent answer. Basically they said that single notes with single stems starting on the middle line of the staff and higher are written stem down, and all single notes with single stems starting in the second space of the staff and lower are written stem up. However, when I looked at all of my music, and the Solo Guitar Playing book by Noad, that didn't seem to be consistently true. We probably need to clarify that with Neil or Vanessa.

Sandy

Hello Sandy

Thanks for your comments.
I think the up / down stem thing is an interesting concept but like you found it, in general terms, inconclusive.

That said, I do think that in some lessons Neil has intentionally created notation followed the up stems as melody, down stems as bass, for purpose of explanation. The reason I think so is that in some lessons he makes a point of mentioning it.

My reason for behind the question is that I just want to ensure I get the most information from any piece of Notation for which I am not familiar with the tune.

1. Time Signature
2. Rhythm
3. Bass Notes
4. Melody
5. Filler Notes
6. Phrasing
7. Accents
8. Anything Else?

Separating the filler notes from the melody notes got me wondering.

Willem made an interesting comment Re-Syncopation:

Filler notes must be soft and must be one lower than the melody note.

I need to think about that too.

Cheers Sandy

Dermot

[willem]

thereshopeyet wrote:

Hi Willem

I was just making the assumption that if I didn't know a melody, could I analyse any notation and break it down into bass, melody, and filler notes.

Thanks for commenting and help.

Ah thats your point and find it interesting cos I have tryed that too but I did have a book where it was written out in standard notation and I just wrote it in Gpro.

Willem

edit: an example


click the image to enlarge

[thereshopeyet]

Willem

Reading you post here, I thought I'd give creating a GPro6 file another go.
I surrender !
:ohmy:

My findings are that there is no quick way or logic to entering musical notation / tab into
GPro6 software. When I first purchased GPro6 I spent hours trying to master it but for me there just
doesn't seem to be anything straight forward about creating Gpro files, even after watching the
GPro tutorial videos - (Are There More ? )
:S

So, again, I just printed the TG PDF (which was probably created in GPro6) and circled what notes
I think make up the melody, scanned it and posted it below.

The melody notes circled in the notation image below seem more accurate than my first attempt,
although I'm still not sure about measures 17 and 18.

Dermot

Edit

In the video Neil plays the melody notes from first position.
I took it as written in the tab as It's the tab I wanted to strip back.
It's much the same except in measures 13 &14 and 17 and 18.

I still have to figure out if there's a rule of thumb to isolating melody notes within notation.

Any other comments would be appreciated Willem.

[willem]

"Rule of thumb-isolating the melody notes within notation"

for me it would be the stem up, it makes it all clear (when you are not familair with the melody).

I will try to copy a few measers in Gpro and view a pic here.

when i remember well Neil said the filler notes are for more harmonie, special when you go from one chord to the other.

Willem

[willem]

willem wrote:

"Rule of thumb-isolating the melody notes within notation"

for me it would be the stem up, it makes it all clear (when you are not familair with the melody).

I will try to copy a few measers in Gpro and view a pic here.

when i remember well Neil said the filler notes are for more harmonie, special when you go from one chord to the other.

Willem

PIC

[thereshopeyet]

Willem

That's great, any chance of uploading the GP file ? I'd like to hear it played on GP6.
I know it's only one measure but I had a hard time trying to do that measure in GP6.

Stems Up = Melody
If you play the melody notes as I have circled them the melody is quite clear.
The problem I have with stems up = melody is that I omitted some stem up notes (not circled) as
they didn't sound correct. See my scanned image in my last post.
I may be overlooking something though.

Try play the notes I circled and then compare with all up stem notes played.

Thanks for helping me Willem.

Dermot

[willem]

"Hard time trying to do that"

This is not written on one page, it are two pages but hitting an other button you see them together( try to find something like voicings in Gpro).

Willem.

ps I will send you the two measers as an Gprofile,, first listen to Neils playing a bit and then to the Gprofile.

[thereshopeyet]

Willem Wrote:

I will send you the two measers as an Gprofile,, first listen to Neils playing a bit and then to the Gprofile.

Cool , thanks Willem

[thereshopeyet]

Neil
I have been working on the basic melody to Hark The Herald Angels Sing now as per the notation.

Then I noticed that I'm plucking the strings inconsistently with different right hand fingers.
What I'm doing doesn't feel correct.

When playing the melody only I've been playing S3 with thumb, S2 with First Finger and S1 with 2nd Finger.
I'm also not sure about the correct finger to use for same string notes.

What would you consider best practice regarding finger application when playing the melody only in the scenario described above.

Thanks

Dermot