House of The Rising Sun

[thereshopeyet]

Neil

In the lesson you discuss fretting the notes as they are needed.

When changing chord from F to Am ....
Although the Open A is first to be played followed by the third string A
I find myself pivoting the first finger small barre to the C keeping pressure on the second string first fret.

Would you consider this to be wrong, should I be letting go of the first finger completely
and fingering the C in play order?

Dermot

[willem]

thereshopeyet wrote:

Neil

In the lesson you discuss fretting the notes as they are needed.

When changing chord from F to Am ....
Although the Open A is first to be played followed by the third string A
I find myself pivoting the first finger small barre to the C keeping pressure on the second string first fret.

Would you consider this to be wrong, should I be letting go of the first finger completely
and fingering the C in play order?

:S

Well you got a good joint then,, :laugh: B)

I think its the difficults transition in that song from F to Am...

[thereshopeyet]

Willem Wrote:

Well you got a good joint then !

Sometimes it would be handy to have lots of universal joints

:laugh: :laugh:

[thereshopeyet]

Hello Neil

I'm thinking.... if I'm going to practice technique.... I want to make sure I'm practicing using all
fingers correctly.

I have been making an effort to review the order I fret the notes as needed when playing
House of the Rising Sun since following the lesson again and the FOTW.

I now wonder what's the correct movement / position of the fingers, of Chord notes, that are not played.
Should these fingers rest against the string in the shape of the full chord as they would if played,
hover above the strings or just lightly touch the strings but not fret them?

Thanks

Dermot

[RicksPick]

Hi Dermot

My take on your Q

I think Its all about finger independance, therefore the fact that your holding two strings I would concider As one finger placement and moving to another position...
Err well my point is.. rolling your finger onto the C is economical, but not the perpose of the exersise, so I would take it off and then replace it
Hope you can read past my bad spelling lol
I wonder how others see it,, as I could just be rambling lol

RicksPick

[thereshopeyet]

Hi Rick

Thanks for the comment.
I can see past ALL the typo erosors :dry: I am no expert either :laugh: :laugh: !!

Well I was playing House of the Rising Sun.... slowly but smoothly..... now I'm a little confused
because working on the finger independence I'm back at my abc 's with it, so just want to make sure
I understand what I should be doing with all the fingers (note to others - polite comments only please!)

As you say, rolling the first finger.... may be a bad thing with respect to this exercise.

The other part of my question being.... what about the note in a chord that are not played.
Do you fret / not fret the notes with the same fingers as per the regular chord shape.
In House of The Rising Sun..... Chord E.... being an example....
do I use the usual 1st and 3rd finger or the first and second finger as only two notes of the triad are played.

Oh... the molehill is getting bigger!!

Thanks again

Dermot

:ohmy:

Finger Independence
I seem to manage the Am to C and D to F fine now it's the F to Am and Am to E I wonder about.
To much wondering eh?
:S

[michelew]

Dermot,

I assume you're talking about going from a little F to an Am and rolling your index finger from a small hinge barre barring the first and second string, to your index just fretting the C on the second string. Yes? You're not talking about a full F chord right? I also roll or pivot my index finger to make this change.

I use the whole chord shapes, except that the F is a little one. The finger independence then comes in because you place your fingers down to make some of the chords in the order that you will pick them. So for the D I put my fingers down third string, second, first string and for the little F I similarly put my fingers down starting with the fourth, third, then the little barre. This gives you more time to make the chord shapes and you can afford to do it this way because that's the order that you pick the notes.

I don't see the value in taking your finger off the C going from little F to Am. Have I missed something?

For the change from the E to the Am just pick up the whole E shape and move the whole group towards the floor by one string.

[willem]

michelew wrote:

Dermot,

I assume you're talking about going from a little F to an Am and rolling your index finger from a small hinge barre barring the first and second string, to your index just fretting the C on the second string. Yes? You're not talking about Not talking about a full F chord right? I also roll or pivot my index finger to make this change.

I generally play this with a little F. I use the whole chord shape, except that the F is a little one as stated. The finger independence then comes in because you place your fingers down to make some of the chords in the order that you will pick them. So for the D I put my fingers down third string, second, first string and for the little F I similarly put my fingers down starting with the fourth, third, then the little barre. This gives you more time to make the chord shapes and you can afford to do it this way because that's the order that you pick the notes.

I don't see the value in taking your finger off the C going from little F to Am. Have I missed something?

For the change from the E to the Am just pick up the whole E shape and move the whole group towards the floor by one string.

Now Michele play ''the house of the rising sun'' and think what is easy!! play only the transition from F to Am...set the little F chord and play the notes you need, after that when you hit the bass note A (from Am) lift just your finger from the F bass note and lift a bit the little bare (C and F) so you get only the C note(and the A cos its still there)...mmm after that set your RINGfinger on the C bass note, while you play the C bass note lift your middlefinger from the A note while your firstfinger is still on the C second string first fret...and so on with E chord.

EDIT: I find also,,when there is trouble with not having the chords down then just strum it and learn the chords/progresion

[michelew]

Yeh...Willem my brain is having trouble deciphering that. The F bass note on the little F is on the fourth string...so... I'm too tired I think.

Really I just wanted to say that I thought using the pivot for the first finger (from the little barre to the second string only) is Ok, because your finger needs to stay on the second string. The rest...Well my fingers are independent enough for this song so...have fun with the puzzle.

Dermot, I think the lesson is just that for finger picking sometimes you have to change the order in which you would normally put your fingers down to play a chord. It gives you more time, especially when the chord change is fast.

I'm off to snooze.

Enjoy.

M.

[thereshopeyet]

Michelle Wrote:

I assume you're talking about going from a little F to an Am and rolling your index finger from a small hinge barre barring the first and second string

Yes that's the one Michelle. Small F to Am as you describe..... so the roll pivot seems to be fine with you too.
I was also moving the full E shape as you describe.

Reviewing my initial thought with respect to Neils lesson prompting the use of House of The Rising Sun to practice chord finger independence.

I was playing the song slowly but accurately but then tried applying finger independence to all chord changes and got myself in a knot.

Then I realised if I place all the fingers in order as per the tab.
So using the tab seems to be helping me focus on each note as require.

I'm probably looking into this too deeply....
I was just curious ....
Each chord has three notes.
Not all of the notes of each chord are played.
When playing each note as required, what's the best position for the non fretting fingers?
:S